EVs Just Beat Gas And Diesel In Europe’s Biggest Car Market For The First Time
insideevs.com/news/802162/evs-outsold-gas-hybrid-diesel-germany/
Replying to @sanitation@lemmy.today
Splitting gas diesel and hybrids is misleading in this stat. Once EV beats all of the above, true progress is on the horizon.
Replying to @Reality@feddit.org
Not really as they mostly have different rolls.
Diesel is pretty much limited to commercial usage. I’m sure some idiot is driving a diesel truck around but that’s not common.
The remaining are all commuter based yes, but the hybrid at least indicates the market is preferring cost saving measures over traditional gas. I would expect hybrid sales to transition to EVs as they drop in price and as battery tech improves.
Honestly for the average hybrid buyer they likely only pick that over an Eav due to Germany’s insanely high electric prices. Highest in the EU if I recall.
If Germany got there electricity prices under control I’d expect a portion of that market to switch.
Also the last hurdle may be access to charging stations. Charging at home is the most affordable, but there are not many Germans with parking and charging access. I know at my Oma’s apartment they have like 4 parking spots (no charging) per building and then everyone fights for street parking. Infrastructure has a long way to go to make EV viable for the average German.
Replying to @arrow74@lemmy.zip
Diesel is pretty much limited to commercial usage. I’m sure some idiot is driving a diesel truck around but that’s not common.
That’s not really true for Germany. Diesel is still common for commuter cars, I see it a lot with station wagons for example.
Replying to @mateG@discuss.tchncs.de
Quite odd given the price, I’d love to see the number on that
Replying to @arrow74@lemmy.zip
You can get diesel wagons that do 4l/100km extraurban. Makes up for the little fuel price difference. Every other used car imported to Estonia is a diesel that started its life in Germany.
There are currently about 230k diesel cars on sale on mobile.de that aren’t classified as SUVs, pickup trucks or vans. I even excluded minivans from the search. If you add all the crossover SUVs (VW T-whatever, BMW Xwhatever, Audi Qwhatever), you’ll have even more and those are still not really trucks.
Replying to @boonhet@sopuli.xyz
I drive a 27 year old TDI Skoda that gets 4-5 l/100km.
Replying to @elucubra@sopuli.xyz
My now over 20 years old Mercedes did about 5 when I had it. An E-Class wagon, so not a very small or light car. 2.7 liter inline 5 diesel.
My current nearly 20 year old Audi doesn’t match it but that’s because it has full-time AWD and I got the wrong version of the 3.0 tdi, with 171 kW not 176. 176 has higher injection pressure and a newer Bosch EDC version (17 vs 16) that does more with pilot injections and everything, giving it an extra 50 Nm of torque AND ~2 liters less fuel consumption. Right now I’m doing 6-7, but the car is also hilariously quick since it’s remapped. Oh well, at least I have the Bosch CP3 pump so I won’t have to worry about metal in my fuel shavings like the CP4 folks.
Replying to @elucubra@sopuli.xyz
And belches all kinds of Nox emissions making Europe a hotspot of lung diseases.