Now if the world were only truly a meritocracy.

Couldn’t happen to an uglier, more stupid car.

It looks like something a 6 year old designed on a 1980s PC.

That’s quite exactly what they were going for actually. Lo-res graphic to represent hi-tech. Somewhat like military camo is now pixelated for no practical reason.

Just because you don’t know why digital camouflage exists doesn’t mean it has no practical purpose.

Neither pixellation nor digitization contributes to the camouflaging effect. The pixellated style, however, simplifies design and eases printing on fabric, compared to traditional patterns. While digital patterns are becoming widespread, critics maintain that the pixellated look is a question of fashion rather than function.

Simplified design and easier printing sounds like a very practical purpose.

At the cost of drip? Very much not worth.

Drip or drown, baby 😎

That paragraph seems to contradict itself. “ease of printing” is a functional concern, even if it doesn’t affect the camo while in use.

Neither pixellation nor digitization contributes to the camouflaging effect. The pixellated style, however, simplifies design and eases printing on fabric, compared to traditional patterns. While digital patterns are becoming widespread, critics maintain that the pixellated look is a question of fashion rather than function.[7]

Just quoting the relevant part.

nah, you’re totally off topic. I was responding to looks. sorry for distracting you away from looks by mentioning practicality. on practicality, the reason for the cybertruck panels is they’re stainless steel. on looks, you didn’t reply. since you avoided that topic, i suspect you’re another sheep who jumped on the “ugly” bandwagon and aren’t able to say much more than “ugly ugly ugly”. no interest.

Very interesting, but after reading, it specifically states that it’s the multi scaling that has a function on the battlefield, which can be implemented through all shapes basically.

The ‘digital’ (square) patterning is most certainly either cost saving measures, fashion, or both.

“The pixellated style, however, simplifies design and eases printing on fabric, compared to traditional patterns. While digital patterns are becoming widespread, critics maintain that the pixellated look is a question of fashion rather than function.[7]”

Now I’m aware you just stated that ‘it had a practical purpose’ but your tone and framing suggests to me something other than ‘its easier and cheaper to manufacture’.

I would usually give a lot of credit to someone trying something different, but I’d drive a 1971 Ford Pinto before I ever intentionally get within photographable proximity to a Cybertruck.

And you’d be safer for it.

The danger of the Pinto was exaggerated. Do a web search for the You’re Wrong About episode on the Pinto. The investigative reporting on the Pinto’s safety flaw used a demonstration rigged to explode. Other subcompact cars had a similar dangling fuel tank, and the number of actual Pinto explosions in the field was actually rarer than those of its competitors.

And ironically, the danger of teslas is underreported and downplayed. Don’t you still burn a lithium-firey death if the electricity goes out during a car fire? There have been many people that have died from that insane intentional design already…

WOW! TIL!

It was all fueled by a law firm, who picked out Ford because they had the most cash at the time.

Same thing with AUDI “sudden acceleration”.

then again with Toyota “sudden acceleration” , but Toyota had black boxes that proved the car’s accelerators were being pressed. Since then, every car company tracks data to prevent lawsuits.

Super gluing pieces onto the vehicle is certainly something different. But I think there’s something different should have a reason behind it. XD

Indeed.

Still shocking he never hired a designer. Even an idiot fraud like Elizabeth Holmes knew to do that.

Still shocking he never hired a designer

Cyber truck designer was Franz von Holzhausen.

When the cybertruck was first announced, I actually appreciated how different it looked, but its performance and association to Musk has entirely ruined any hope of me ever liking a low-poly vehicle ever again.

I thought it would look unique in a geeky way. Instead it looks unique in a Nazi way. That’s not my vibe. Killed my enthusiasm for owning something that I knew most people would hate. Also costing twice as much and being a piece of shit.

I think it has plenty of reasons to not like it that are completely non political. The other stuff is just icing on the cake.

I saw a concept car and expected to see a radically different version on the road. As a design study, I thought it had potential.

I know this sounds really pathetic to say out loud now that it’s a confirmed flop, but I never liked the look.

it never had the makings of a varsity athlete

I didn’t really care about the look. Then I saw one in the flesh in a car show. The thing just looked strange up close. It was cordoned off too unlike the hundreds of other cars there. I guess they didn’t want people touching it because lots of greasy fingers and stainless steel body don’t mix well.

When the cybertruck was first announced, I actually appreciated how different it looked

Yeah, same here. I usually like weird looking forms for ordinary objects. The cybertruck counts.

Even disregarding the emotional association to Musk, which is nigh impossible, the engineering of the car makes it suck to hell, because that’s all Musk’s decision he forced.

It looks like something a 6 year old designed on a 1980s PC.

It looks like my drawing of a car as a 4 year old brought to reality

If only Americans applied this level of critical thought to every pickup truck they love to buy.

You just know this is the one car that Elon designed personally, like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer bankrupts his brothers car company, only real life doesn’t actually punish idiocy.

I’d actually drive a Homer.

More bloodthirsty than the Pinto too.

How you fuck up making a truck so badly?

Yeah the electric pickup is such a no brainer for the US market and it was one of the first.

But what if it was horribly ugly and made everyone hate you? Surely it will sell even better then!

Yeah the electric pickup is such a no brainer for the US

Disagree. The truck market itself is a no brainer, but electric trucks have design challenges that electric sedans don’t. Namely, aerodynamics, towing, and aerodynamics while towing. It is much harder to make an electric truck capable of doing “truck stuff” with a reasonable range and price compared to making an electric car.

Harder maybe but it’s clearly doable. We have a number of options now. And it’s not like they’ve had to make them hyper-aerodynamic or anything. Just took a little more advanced battery tech.

I believe Ford has the f150 lightning, an ev version. I don’t know how it’s been doing though.

The all electric version has been cancelled in favor of a hybrid design, but they claim the hybrid has a 700 mile range

npr.org/…/ford-discontinues-all-electric-f-150-li…

Thanks for the update

No one bought them. barely 80,000 sold over three years. Killed in 2025. They sold 10X more F series every year. Really not sure where anyone gets the idea pickup buyers give a fuck about fuel efficiency or emissions.

IIRC, according to Aging Wheels on YouTube, of all the electric trucks, only one (the Chevy Silvarado) actually manages to have decent range while towing.

Think it might’ve been in this video? www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmKf8smvGsA

Correct, but now consider how much time and money has been spent over the decades on making sure that “trucks can do truck stuff” for combustion vs. electric drives. “it’s much harder” is true only in the context that thousands of years of engineering time have already been poured into diesel and gas trucks, and only a tiny fraction of that has yet been dedicated to electric. So it’s not “much harder” it just “hasn’t been funded yet at the level that the oil industry has provided combustion vehicles for nearly 100 years”.

It’s not a technology/research issue; it’s an economics issue. Trucks simply need an absolutely huge battery pack to brute-force not only themselves but a boxy trailer through the air for hundreds of miles, and all but one of them don’t actually have it (even at the very expensive prices they sell for).

Look up the curve of the density of energy storage for batteries the last 20-ish years and then honestly tell me this isn’t a technology issue in the midst of being addressed.

An electric pickup isn’t a no-brainer for the US market. It’s a big-brainer.

Most EVs are shaped like running shoes for aerodynamics. Pickup trucks are big air smacking slabs. Larger pickup trucks advertise towing capacity as a major feature, EVs are bad at towing, again because of aerodynamics. The additional batteries and such required to make an EV pickup work are large, heavy and expensive. I think the technology needs to cook a bit before we get there.

Now on the compact pickup truck front…those are basically extinct. The Slate is almost a good attempt, the problem is it’s almost the anti-cybertruck. The Cybertruck is what you get when a billionaire nazi notices how thoroughly the drugs have emptied his scrotum. It’s the costume a truly awful male wears to cosplay as a man. The Slate is almost the equal and opposite, it’s what r/fuckcars thinks of when they start a sentence with “Can’t you just make do with…” A 20 year old S10 kicks the Slate’s ass in every way because the Slate is designed mostly to play dress-up like a barbie doll. They’re taking pre-orders but they won’t show you where the tie down points in the bed are.

I don’t know enough about physics or cars to really rebut you but this doesn’t seem plausible to me.

I don’t think aerodynamics are particularly relevant to towing? Prime movers (tractor trailers?) are about the least aerodynamic vehicle there is but they regularly tow more than 100 tonnes at highway speed.

If I had to guess I’d suggest the primary problem is the relationship between system weight of the vehicle and load, battery capacity, and the battery’s weight. As in, if you want to be able to cart 1 ton for 200km then the additional battery requirement is another 300kg so that’s really only an extra 700kg so you need more battery and heavier frame and so on.

Another problem I suppose, and I emphasize that this is supposition, is optimising motors for both torque and speed. The torque required to break inertia with lots of weight in sandy or muddy terrain.

They very much are, depending on what you’re towing, most of your fuel used goes into overcoming aerodynamic drag. If you tow a load of gravel on a trailer, compared to a caravan of the same weight, the difference in fuel used can be double.

Towing something that’s not very aerodynamic can easily double your fuel use, which means half the range or less in an EV.

The maximum weight for a tractor-trailer rig in the United States is 80,000 pounds, 40 short tons or 36.36 metric tons.

A tractor-trailer rig is surprisingly streamlined. The cab is shaped and sized for the front of the trailer to ride closely in its wake, often with fairings that reach as close to the trailer as practicable. Sure it’s a brick, but it’s ONE brick:

A pickup truck towing a trailer isn’t anywhere near that slick, even with a gooseneck trailer, the trailer is often taller and wider than the cab. It’s a brick, attached to another, larger brick being pulled through the turbulent disturbed air from the first brick:

In terms of torque, EVs have a significant advantage. Electric motors produce a lot more torque at low to zero RPM than internal combustion engines do. Limited slip differentials or all-wheel drive are solved problems.

The additional energy required to accelerate the additional weight up to speed isn’t that much of a problem as an EV will get that back with regenerative braking. Well, some of it. Most trailers have brakes of their own that do help with braking distance but are there mostly to keep the hitch under tension to prevent jackknifing. An ICEV figures on losing all of that energy to friction braking, a BEV plans on recovering some of it. An electric pickup carrying 1000 pounds in the bed will be more efficient than one pulling a 1000 pound trailer, in most cases.

The maximum weight for a tractor-trailer rig in the United States is 80,000 pounds, 40 short tons or 36.36 metric tons.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at with this. Here in Australia road trains haul 90 metric tons of grain and fertilizer all the time, that doesn’t include the weight of the trailers.

Regardless, I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to illustrate - your example of a “streamlined vehicle” undoubtedly consumes a lot more diesel than your example of a vehicle which is not streamlined. Isn’t that antithetical?

In terms of torque, EVs have a significant advantage.

Yes, but a “truck” with a 4 ton towing capacity obviously needs motors with more torque than those on a tesla.

The additional energy required to accelerate the additional weight up to speed isn’t that much of a problem as an EV will get that back with regenerative braking. Well, some of it.

As little as 5 to 10% on the highway, not particularly significant. Installing regenerative brakes on a trailer is a lot of additional cost and complexity.

In the United States, if you need more than about 20 tons of freight moved, you use the railroad not the highway. “Road trains” aren’t a thing here.

Regardless, I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to illustrate - your example of a “streamlined vehicle” undoubtedly consumes a lot more diesel than your example of a vehicle which is not streamlined. Isn’t that antithetical?

In absolute terms, yes. A semi truck consumes more fuel than a pickup truck. So does a diesel locomotive. The point is the difference in aerodynamic drag with and without the trailer.

Aerodynamically, a semi truck is the same shape with and without a trailer. Somewhat streamlined nose, flat sides, flat rear. With the trailer attached, that flat rear is just 50 feet further away. A semi truck without a trailer will make better fuel economy because it doesn’t have to accelerate the additional weight or overcome the friction in the additional axles, but the cab has already taken most of the aerodynamic punishment it can.

With a non-streamlined pickup truck, the additional wheel friction and acceleration energy are factors, but you’re also functionally doing this:

So a pickup truck sees a much bigger punishment to fuel economy when you hitch up a trailer than a semi does.

Yes, but a “truck” with a 4 ton towing capacity obviously needs motors with more torque than those on a tesla.

Not necessarily. My S10’s 4.3L V6 engine makes 200 horsepower and 200 foot pounds of torque. It’s rated to tow 7600 pounds, with the addition of a transmission cooler. A Tesla Model Y is rated at 397 horsepower and 389 foot pounds of torque, it is rated to tow 3500 pounds. A lot more factors than horsepower and torque go into a tow rating. The strength of the frame at the hitch, a height sensing proportioning valve, the duty cycle ratings of the power train to name a few. It’s not about “Can this car get this weight moving” it’s “can this car perform a safe emergency stop 9 hours into a 10 hour journey towing this weight?”

As little as 5 to 10% on the highway, not particularly significant.

See that’s the funny thing about EVs. ICEVs get better fuel economy on the highway because the constant aerodynamic drag at cruising speed is less than all the braking you do in the city. EVs are the other way up, because of regenerative braking they get a lot of their energy back when braking, but you can’t get aerodynamic drag back. And that’s without the additional drag of a trailer.

I don’t think aerodynamics are particularly relevant to towing?

Aerodynamics are extremely relevant to towing. “Aging Wheels” on Youtube did a test and found that payload weight makes basically no difference at all, but a trailer with bad aerodynamics can cut an electric truck’s range in half.

The Slate is almost the equal and opposite, it’s what r/fuckcars thinks of when they start a sentence with “Can’t you just make do with…” A 20 year old S10 kicks the Slate’s ass in every way because the Slate is designed mostly to play dress-up like a barbie doll. They’re taking pre-orders but they won’t show you where the tie down points in the bed are.

Speaking as a mod of !fuckcars and the owner of a 30-year-old Ford Ranger, I want a Slate truck and I don’t think my current truck would be able to kick its ass. (Well, aside from off-roading, since the Slate doesn’t have a 4x4 version yet. And, uh, ease of refueling in the wilderness. Hmm.)

Okay, so maybe it wouldn’t be an upgrade in all ways, but IMO those tradeoffs are still worth it because the lack of telemetry and other enshittification means it’s the first modern mass-market electric car (of any type, truck or otherwise) I’ll be willing to own.

My S10 outranges a Slate by over 50%, refuels from empty to full in less than five minutes, seats 4, has a 6 foot bed, tows up to 7600 pounds…a Slate is a massive step back in a lot of ways.

My Ranger seats 3 in a pinch and is rated to tow 1600 pounds (2.3L I4, regular cab, manual, 4x4) so you can see how my perspective is a little different.

If the Slate had a 6 foot bed, VTL capability, and a little more range I’d be really into it. I’m a woodworker, hauling plywood and lumber with a 5 foot bed doesn’t sound fun.

Most trucks need the tailgate down to haul plywood or 8ft lumber.

That’s why actual woodworkers use vans.

Gas trucks suck fuel when towing too. It’s the nature of the task. The question mostly imo is - are you towing long distances? (well are you going long distances is a big EV question generally). If you’re towing stuff back from the hardware store then EV is fine for towing. If you’re doing some sort of small hauling job going hundreds of miles then not so much.

Where I end up is - how often generally are you towing? If it’s 2x a year or less - rent a truck and otherwise save craptons of money. I know - I have wasted 10k splitting a 2003 f250 with my sister to get a tractor home “and we would need to tow stuff semi regularly and renting from Enterprise was a PITA”. Yea sure - we used it for towing twice. Finally managed to sell it.

I think we tow more on a 8x10 landscape trailer for bringing lumber home etc and tow with my Outback and now Pilot than we tow with the 1500 we have for “bigger stuff”.

Though maybe that’s because we sort of stopped going to farm auctions…

The folks who really care about tow ratings and range are those who have boats or campers. Which means they do road trips while towing. Do you want to tow a camper on a road trip in a rented vehicle?

Yes, gas trucks also suffer poorer fuel economy when towing. It’s less of a practical problem because it means more 10 minute fuel stops. With an EV, it means more 3 hour fuel stops. It’s fairly easy to equip a gas truck with a larger or additional fuel tank. My S10’s fuel tank is on the left side of the bed; it would be fairly trivial to mount another tank on the right side, or, a Blazer’s fuel tank isn’t that hard to install behind the axle where the pickup hangs its spare tire. Doubling or tripling a pickup truck’s range is something a guy can do at his house. It’s functionally impossible with an EV.

Modern EVs require more of a 30 minute fuel stop.

3 hours hasn’t been a thing since before 2020.

Does that include larger vehicles with larger batteries like the Lightning and Silverado? Bigger battery takes longer to charge.

Nazi

It’s not even actually a truck. It’s a ute. Like the Hyundai Santa Cruz. It’s a car (unibody) with a bed.
I don’t dislike utes at all, and even have an old one I am restoring, but it is not a truck.

with a bed.

Step 1: be a fascist

Dunno… ask Rivian. They integrated the rear quarter panels, the most damaged part of any truck, into the structure so that a minor collision backing into something is either $20,000 or a write-off.

That’s just slavery with extra steps capitalism baby.

Really? I see chuds driving them all over my town unfortunately. Admittedly far less popular than other Tesla vehicles though which are absolutely everywhere here in CA. Seems like most people forgot Musk is a nazi already.

I point and laugh when I see one and say “look at the fucking idiot.” They love that.

It’s even better when you do it pure organically, I was bashing a model y with some friends, no clue the owner was showing back up, “I like the concept of electric vehicles, however Tesla’s are one of worse options you could go for, plus they look like obese Porsches.” Ohh hey “I don’t like your car”

Those chuds bought early into the idea they would be renting out their trucks at night using self driving and make a profit.

I see them every so often in Seattle. I always give them a disapproving look and a big thumbs down, I’ve found that pisses people off more than a middle finger.

I drew a swastika in the dust on the hood of one once and gave the finger to the cameras. I have little hope that the owner was persuaded in the slightest. Also, my nephews yell out “Lego car!” when they see one.

Californian here.

I’ll never forget.

Swasticars are driven by Nazi’s.

Seems like most people forgot Musk is a nazi already.

A realisation I’ve had is that if everyone from this era went back in time to the 1930’s there’d be a lot of investing into the Nazi stock market for those stonks!

Genocide, war crimes and general harm towards humanity don’t mean much to a lot of people when personal gains or convenience are available.

Please remind them by flipping off every Cybertruck driver you see.

Nah, then they just flip you back.

Do a thumbs down while shaking your head. They don’t know how to respond to that.

Cybertruck Is the Biggest Flop

Why does anyone think that is still news?

A friend of mine called it the modern Edsel when it first came out

Who would have thought a three year olds drawing of a car would have not resonated with the masses.

Should have included a heads up display

The design was meant to be controversial and it certainly got a lot of attention when it was first introduced. The reason that thing failed is that its performance was way worse than what was promised while costing a lot more.

From what I understand, it was never supposed to be a truck, it was supposed to be a tax write-off for businesses. That’s also why it’s stupid ugly and heavy, it has to be 500 or 600 lbs (I forget which) to get the write-off as a truck. The fact that everyone laughs when they see them was unexpected. I think they thought it would be loved by all, especially the businesses.

A new piece from Bloomberg makes the case, comparing the Tesla vehicle to the misfortunes of Ford’s Edsel, which was first introduced in 1957 and discontinued just two years later. After spending years building up hype for the car, Ford predicted selling 200,000 units in its first year, but ended up selling less than a third of that.

That’s comparable to expectations versus reality of the Cybertruck. In fact, the Cybertruck is actually doing worse in key ways. Tesla’s annual sales target was 250,000 units, but it didn’t even crack 40,000 sales in its first year. And like the Edsel, it’s sold less with each successive year, with barely 7,100 registered in the US in 2026 so far, according to S&P Global Mobility data — despite Musk juicing those figures by selling Cybertrucks to his own companies.

6,000, not 600. 600 would be a very light vehicle indeed. Even the Reliant Robin is about 970. The Smart Fortwo is at least 1,800.

Or it has to have certain offroading features.

autoblog.com/…/everything-is-an-suv-today-because…

Also the rest of the theory is as inaccurate as the weight figure.

The IRS gives business tax deductions for vehicles. Under 6000lbs it’s $12k, over 6000 is $31k

I think you forgot a zero, right?

• Rear-Wheel Drive (Single Motor): 6,118 lbs (2,775 kg)

• All-Wheel Drive (Dual Motor): 6,634 to 6,669 lbs (3,009 to 3,025 kg)

• Cyberbeast (Tri-Motor): 6,863 to 6,898 lbs (3,113 to 3,129 kg)

Yep, forgot a zero, lol

Yep, you’re correct, my bad

Only a time travel movie can save it.

It took 68 years but someone finally beat out edsle as the worst automotive failure, I’m just glad it was Elon Muppet.

reads the wikipedia article

considered overhyped, low quality, and unattractive

double checks to make sure I’m not on the cybertruck article

Had someone been hyping you?

I prefer to call him Elmo Musk but Elon Muppet is pretty good too.

My favorite is Elongated Muskrat.

I prefer Melon Husk.

Eldolf Muskolini

This is the correct one. People make such a big stink out of his nazi salute while completely ignoring the Mussolini stank face he was making at the same time.

lol.

lmfao even.

Even worse than the Edsel? Nice!

And the Pinto! To be fair, those only blew up if you rear-ended them. The cybertruck will explode if it gets a little wet.

That’s really bad. I feel like some of those cars with only three wheels set a pretty high bar.

Seeing this reminded me of Mr Bean episodes where that three wheeled car is always getting shit on.

Edit - this one -

Lol there were a lot of those three wheelers around when I was a kid. They seemed pretty okay for city driving, wouldn’t have wanted to try going at any speed in one tho. In fact, someone I know has most of one, says he’s gonna restore it but it’s been under a tarp for years so. . .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin

The three wheels and the fibreglass construction meant that it was light enough to count as a tricycle, so that you could drive one on a motorcycle license rather than a full driving license. Plus they sip quite gently at the petrol by the standards of the 1970s. You still saw a few on the roads when I was growing up in the 80s, but it’s been a long time.

The thought of doing 85 mph in one of them is enough to make me fill my trousers, though. Couldn’t pay me enough.

The Robin Reliant sales were driven by the fact they were legally motorcycles, so drivers with DUIs in UK could get back onto roads.

Of course, the US embraced the concept in reverse for Boomers to drive around beach towns.

Yeah, in my mind, the slingshot is with the trikes and not cars.

They couldn’t even get the doors right. The doors.

Let’s be fair here. The doors weren’t supposed to actually be used because the target market for the Swastikkkar was for people who wanted to would weld the doors shut, paint their cars orange, have confederate flags on the side and top, and then jump in and out of it through a window screaming “Yeehaw!”

No. That’s not the market targeted by the Cybertruck. The yeehaw sister fucker demographic would rather eat their own face than drive an EV. They’re the ones cutting holes in their beds to run 10 inch diameter exhaust stacks through them so they can prove how much damage they’re doing to the environment.

No, the Cybertruck is for urban nazis. The tech bros who work in fields like IT or software development. They wear slacks to work. Nothing in their natural lives makes them feel like real men. Their hands are soft. They don’t have the first clue what a lathe is for and they genuinely wonder why we have farms when food comes from grocery stores now. They hate blue collar men as beneath them…and yet they fetishize them. Elon Musk is chief among them, and he happens to own a car factory. Enter the Cybertruck, what a ketamine addled techbro huckster thinks a pickup is. It’s a costume worn by males attempting to cosplay as men.

I’ve been having the same conversation with my kids for weeks now.

“Daddy, look, it’s that car you hate.”

“Daddy, we saw that car you hate.”

“Daddy, that car you hate just drove by.”

Finally today I was like, “Can you please stop calling it that? It’s not that I hate it. It’s just poorly made. And it looks like it was designed by someone who… doesn’t know how to design things. Because it was. And I think we can all agree about the ethical ramifications of buying a car from an avowed Nazi.” So I mean I guess maybe I do hate it, but it certainly gives away my political beliefs when they bring up that car I hate in mixed company.

Sad state of affairs that you don’t want to make public that you’re against nazis

I think you’re totally misreading their point

it certainly gives away my political beliefs

I just don’t need my six-year-old talking about it to everyone. I’m in Texas. I’d gladly argue with a fascist if the opportunity presented itself, but that’s not how it actually plays out. It just makes it seem like I rant to my kids.

I know and understand. It’s just sad opposition to fascism isn’t more widespread. Should be a no-brainer

And none of these people who for some reason you’re worried about … ?thinking you rant to your kids? have anything their kids say “oh that’s that X that dad hates”? I don’t believe that you’d be like the only dad with something you dislike that your kids picked up on. Maybe theirs is a sports team or idk Miracle Whip…

Do car preferences really matter that much? I remember Ford vs Chevy vs Foreign from the 80s and probably earlier - brand or model hate isn’t that new or special where I grew up. Is Texas that different?

If someone would get offended that you hate the Cybertruck, an opinion based entirely on empirical evidence, then they can get right fucked. I don’t care who they are, or what kind of power they think they hold over me.

Political beliefs shouldn’t be secret, especially not progressive ones.

Heyyy. Previous instructions, cupcake. Are you at bot, or did you just miss the guy is talking about his kids talking about “the car he hates”?

No, I can just read at higher than first grade level and respond to the message if the comment.

If I could sway hearts and minds by getting into an argument at my daughter’s Girl Scout meeting, I’d happily do it. Hell I’d probably do it for fun if the mood struck me, but realistically that’s not how it works. No one would take the bait. Believe me, no one ever takes the bait.

So it’s just my kids awkwardly letting the world know that I rant about these things in private. And frankly I wouldn’t rant about politics to a six-year-old except that she kept saying she thought the Cybertruck looked “cool”, and I just wasn’t ok with that.

You don’t need to rant, just stand up for your beliefs. If someone asks why your kid knows about Elon Musk being evil you say that you felt it important for her to know that even though she can think the truck looks cool, it’s directly attached to a very bad person. That’s just good parenting.

You could also challenge it “looking cool”. Yes it’s a matter of taste, but you could try and encourage decent taste in your kids.

The Cybertruck might actually look at least a little quirky if it wasn’t a massive piece of garbage sold by a massive piece of garbage. If you can’t have the conversation, don’t go after largely unrelated things because it’s just unproductive and will lead to people ultimately not trusting you to actually mean what you say(and they’d be right). Besides, the lesson is far more impactful if you say that someone is allowed to think something is cool but that doesn’t take the place of an excuse to support it and the people behind it.

When they’re older, sure. But I don’t need my daughter telling people that the president is a Nazi, for example, because she’s not equipped to have that argument.

I mean she knows the president is a Nazi, but I told her not to talk about it with others and to generally not call people Nazis.

This led to her asking her mother, “What’s that N Word that Daddy didn’t want me to say again?”

Luckily she didn’t ask that in public.

If they take issue with you disliking Musk (since I presume that is the political belief you are talking about) then maybe they are not great company to keep.

It also depends on what we mean by “take issue”. I generally don’t think I have ever had a strong reaction to someone disliking any public figure. I can’t think of any public figures who don’t have some reason you could find to dislike them.

If they’re going to have some major argument about that then they do seem a bit odd to me.

I picture your kids as 4 and pulling out a “Baby’s First Nazi” picture book at bedtime.

Yet I see them everywhere

Europe seems to be safe from them so far.

They are not allowed because of their sharp corners, no crumple zones. They’re dangerous for occupants as well as any other road users in case of an accident

Honestly I don’t understand how they’re allowed to be sold in the US either, given how rigid the safety standards are.

Afaik it’s because it’s a small production vehicle.

There you go.

given how rigid the safety standards are.

LOL. US safety standards are voluntary and almost non existent for trucks.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

Yup. They stick out.

It’s a clown car, so it’s really hard to not notice one when it clambers down a street.

I love seeing them on the side of the road, either disabled or in wrecks. I laugh every time.

Because people can’t get rid of them. Many would dump it if they could, but Tesla won’t even take them in trade, and nobody will buy one used. So they have no choice but to drive it until the market changes somehow.

There will come a time when they’ll be cheap enough to drive ironically, probably with flowers and peace signs painted on it.

A terrible mistake and a atrociously bad car

For as long as I live I’ll never understand how people could see that unveiling where the doofuses on stage hurl a big metal ball at the “bulletproof” glass and watch it crack during the live demo, and still think “Yeah I’ll pre-order one of those”.

Manchildren, fascist sympathizers, and deeply unserious or delusional people drive these cars. There is no “I bought it before I knew how crazy Elon was.”

You are overestimating how many people care about Elon since you are here on Lemmy where everyone cares deeply about it, seemingly.

Sure, but take Elon out of it. How do you not stop and think about it if the demo of a feature fails that badly?

The Bronco had massive failures as soon as people started getting their hands on them. Sales went crazy at first but then crashed through the floor. There’s a Ford dealer across from my work that has like 85 of them on the lot and they barely sell now.

You know what jacked Bronco sales in the 90s? OJ Simpson car chase. American consumers are idiots.

And this is why I flip them off every single time they pass by. Every single time. No exceptions.

Fuck Nazi’s, man.

Was taking a short road trip this past weekend, and got a chance to pass two; one decked out in a horrible purple camo pattern… You can bet right that the bird was flipped at both (as well as many, many other Teslas).

I just point and bray laughter while looking them directly in their faces. The forehead veins are all a-throb.

Like, who would even want a car that is impossible to escape from during an emergency?

I’d upvote but you’re at 88 and I find that apropos

Manchildren, fascist sympathizers, and deeply unserious or delusional people

This is like 60% of the American populace. You would think the Cyberfuck would be more successful.

Yep. A lot of car models or body styles carry stereotypes to varying degrees of accuracy. But, whoever would buy one of those monstrosities fits a certain stereotype 100% of the time: someone that buys a CT is both a complete moron and devoid of any sense of morality. Stupid and evil.

For as long as I live I’ll never understand how people could see that unveiling where the doofuses on stage hurl a big metal ball at the “bulletproof” glass and watch it crack during the live demo, and still think “Yeah I’ll pre-order one of those”.

Bulletproof glass is actually illegal by US safety standards. In fact, the side windows have to be easy to break by EMTs for emergency extraction.

Musk’s engineers knew this, but were too afraid to tell him before the demo.

Source for illegality in the US? Pretty confident it’s not illegal, just heavy and expensive.

Nah. The people that are bought them are though.

Genuinely, that car looks awful. Idk why ppl like it

When I was a kid I saw this in a book

motor1.com/…/alfa-romeo-navajo-bertone-supercar-s…

and I was so excited by the thing I tried to make a copy out of construction paper. I probably like these kinds of shapes for some reason.

Before zooming in, it looks like a decepticon logo on the hood.

I love it, and it kinda reminds me of the Honda 0 saloon, which I’m sad was canceled

They like it because it virtue signals that they are a wealthy fascist, and love to “own the libs.”

I love it when I get to see a cybertruck. No matter the time of day, it lifts my spirit when I burst out laughing at seeing the stupidest vehicle ever, and the idiot in the driver’s seat. Like, this makes the Toyota FJ Cruiser look like a 911. That in itself is an amazing feat.

The Fj is amazing. It’s a true off-roader; unlike the can-can-cyberduck

Looks like we found the one FJ fan, and on Lemmy no less!

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The comment currently has 7 people who agree and I’m one of them.

Hey now, make that TWO fans! Before I got my current car I wanted to get an FJ Cruiser but they were all out of my price range ($0.05)

It seems that I’ve stumbled upon some sort of sleeper cell…

The FJ is one of the more sought-after offroad vehicles. It’s extremely capable while also being relatively simple and low-tech. 18 year old FJs still sell for $15k. 12 year old FJs sell for $25k… for a car that sold for $30k new!!

How many windshields are you at now?

After 16 years of daily driving I had to replace it 2 times due to large stones from a truck on a highway in front of me. Each time the insurance covered it. The car has been rock solid compared to others in the same price range in the same region.

its funnier when someone puts a design wrap on it, or has thier company info on it, usually its a trades car advertising thier business.

There is a local dentist who advertises on their cybertruck. It makes it all the more pathetic lol.

If Breaking Bad came on the air now, Walter White would be driving the SwastitruKKK instead of the Aztek, which was the ugliest vehicle of all time, at the time.

I always figured there was an untold backstory of WW getting that Aztek, in which he goes into the dealership, and they instantly pegged him as malleable, so they pressured him into the fugliest vehicle on the lot, that NOBODY else would even look at.

The Aztek is awesome!

Are we talking about the same vehicle!?

It’s still not an anachronism like the cybertruck.

The cybertruck looks like a concept car an autistic kid in the 80’s would’ve drawn and dreamt of creating one day.

I can’t image why.

It’s because Elon is an autistic kid from the 80s…

This is just insulting to people with autism

It looked like somebody started creating a custom car in a ps1 racing game and then gave up before even choosing a colour

He reduced the number of polygons while in a k hole, had a Beavis and Butthead laugh and said this is cool, hehe let’s make it.

It comes in mustard yellow too!!??

When Gilligan needed his main character in Breaking Bad to look like a life failure, he stuck him in an Aztec.

I feel seen.

Yeah the only problem with that thing was it had to much 2000s for anyone to handle. Like they took every aspect of y2k and just did it. I

Either that or a Nissan Juke

Nissan Murano cabriolet

It is the perfect car for old retirees because it’s a convertible and easy to get into and out of you know.

I think that was precisely their target market with this and I’m sure Florida and Arizona are full of them. They really are hideous though, much more in person.

I give you the Fiat Multipla.

But why would they do that? It’s stupid looking in a bizarre way

Looks like they paid a designer who got halfway through designing the car (the bottom half) and then fired them in favor of some project manager’s nephew who’s “good with computers.”

It won the Top Gear Car of the Year 2000. It was also voted Top Gear Magazine’s Family Car of the Year for four years in a row, from 2001 to 2004. It seats six in two rows. They had one variant that ran on propane. 12 year production run in Europe. Another 5 years in China. 343,000 sold. It was extremely space and fuel efficient, because of the design for aero.

you want stupid and bizarre looking…

That just looks like a pickup truck.

I rented one in Italy for a vacation. Loved it. Seats 6 but still can be parked in European cities, great fuel economy, and no blind spots. Two rows of 3 bucket seats.

Yeah. Everyone I know who’s owned one loves them. But they’re not pretty.

The Aztek may be ugly, but at least it’s functional and practical, at least for the purpose it’s built for.

It had a tent as a back gate option. Loved that car.

Wiring harness kept melting itself though, leading to a brake failure on the way back to the dealership.

Traded it for a Mercury Mountaineer.

It may be ugly, but at least it’s poorly built, unreliable and handles like a sack of meat.

Huh almost sounds like a Jeep. Maybe I’d like to drive an Aztek.

I always assumed he had the Aztek because they didn’t have much money and it was a cheap used car.

I’d say ugliest of all time went to another car that was featured on Breaking Bad: the PT Cruiser, appropriately used as a car gift that causes insult rather than happiness.

Though I’d bet the actual backstory to WW’s Aztek is Pontiac paid them a bunch of money to use it in the hopes that it would boost sales if the show became popular.

My PWT aunt’s favorite car was the pt cruiser. She was over the moon when she got one.

She get it real cheap used? They had a decent reputation because the new ones were mostly owned by old boomers that didn’t push them very hard, so they were reliable (relative to the rest of the used car market), though that didn’t help the way they looked or performed.

She got it new when they first came out.

The PT Cruiser is okay, but the Prowler was better.

The pity Cruiser.

Prowler = Boomer car for Pep Boys car meets.

The Prowler didn’t look quite as lame but got extra lame points for following the trend set by the PT Cruiser.

Apparently the turning radius of the PT Cruiser was comparable to some large ships.

I think this would be the car to be replaced by the cybertruck:

In terms of obnoxiousness and poor taste (plus the humvee branding and quasi militaristic styling, during the Iraq invasion), the H2 evoked similar reactions as well

They did that. Ended up with a 10,000 lb turd.

I still think it looks awesome, but as a toy, you know?

No.

I can certainly understand, it has an abstract, minimalist appeal - however, its safety or its basic features aren’t as appealing.

Oh I mean as a toy, like in a plastic case with all the other Matchbox cars I had as a kid.

Or as some kind of

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Trak

The one good use I’ve seen for it is as a promo vehicle for a sneaker shop

Musk = POS Nazi.

I actuaally like the look of the cybertruck. Probably just because it is something different. Most cars eesm to be nearly all the same these days. That said, everything about the cyber truck besides the look is terrible. Soo many rushed choices… and of course there is Elon. I like that he does things regular companies wouldn’t. But how he does them is generally horrible. And of course, he is horrible too.

I love cars that are different but the cybertruck just ain’t it. When they announced it the proportions worked pretty well and I’d say looked pretty good, but then they released the production model and it lost any good looks it had because of those proportions. Then it came out that the frame is aluminum, and they’re terrible at anything a truck should be able to do (except for drive in a straight line fast).

This is coming from a guy that actually likes how the Pontiac Aztek looks (I still don’t understand why people think it’s so ugly) and would probably drive a Fiat Multipla!

The Aztek is terrible but endearingly so. I’d drive one

Beating out the Edsel for worst automotive flop is quite a feat.

I suspect it would not have been a huge success, but it would have done significantly better if all the political BS hadn’t been involved. Whatever though, it’s in the history books now.

I had some weirdo conservative explain that he would have gotten one but he was scared some “trans thug” would single him out for retribution if he drove one - it’s incredible, musk has finally united both sides of US politics with this truck; Nobody wants to be seen in one of these things.

I think I have a pretty good idea of what their porn history search looks like

Even if Musk had remained entirely apolitical, I can’t imagine the Cyber Truck doing much better without also doing something to address the high profile safety issues with the car and the insane number of recalls issued for it. Even if it had managed to get off to a stronger start, I would still expect people to abandon it in droves once they realized it was an overpriced deathtrap that could crap out on them and leave them stranded at any time.

Politics aside it would have done significantly better if the pricing they had during its announcement event was anything close to the pricing it had at release. They announced it at $39.9k, $49.9k, and $69.9k for the RWD, AWD, and Cyberbeast. The RWD didn’t really ever happen, at least not as announced. They did release a RWD but it was different and much more expensive. They pulled it from market after ~5 months. The AWD and Cyberbeast actually released at $69.9k and $99.9k. Needless to say many people cancelled their preorders.

You say it’s just in the hostory books, but unfortunately for me, I see one almost every time I drive anywhere longer than 10 minutes. It’s entirety possible I’m seeing the same guy more frequently because we live close to each other, but checking the license plates on them when I can, I’ve seen no less than half a dozen unique Cybertrucks in the last couple years, mostly along the same commute to and from work (no highways)

Yeah, despite their low sales I see them constantly. But I live in a really conservative area where most people think Musk isn’t far enough to the right. I travel through a lot of rural areas all over the country and I think more rednecks would buy them but it isn’t as reliable as a twenty year old diesel truck. Now that they’re selling much cheaper than at the beginning they seem to be trickling out.

Can’t be the worst flop. The Cybertruck outsold the Ioniq 6 by roughly a 2:1 margin in the US. Both were introduced around the same time, and it sounds like Hyundai already pulled the 6 from the US market. But while the Cybertruck was a certified piece of crap, the Ioniq 6 was consistently rated at the top of available EV on the market. I guess sedans are pretty much DOA as a body style these days though.

That’s a US-only perspective. The Ioniq 6 sold quite well in the EU while the the CT is US-only because of…well…it being what it is

While that may be true, I can’t imagine any American article considering a perspective outside of the US. CT is available in Canada as well, and at least anecdotally, I see them just a little less often than Ioniq 6s. I bought a 6 a couple years ago and love it. Interestingly, I did not find the 5 as appealing, though it too had good bona fides as an EV.

Oh wait, did you forget that the Cybertrucks’s #1 customer was SpaceX? Also, you are just plain wrong. Hyundai sold approximately 37,000 Ioniq 6’s in just the US.

Tesla sold 20,237 Cybertrucks, but SpaceX bought exactly 1,279 of them. So the actual number would be 18,958.

18,958 is not 2x greater than 37,000.

Are you confusing Ioniq 5 with the 6? I doubt Hyundai sold 37,000 Ioniq 6s in the US throughout its entire production run, but Tesla sold 38,965 CTs in 2024 alone, and a little over 20K in 2025. I have seen this number on other sites as well. Hyundai reported percentage decline for the Ioniq 6, but I saw sliding numbers from 2023 to 2024 where they sold about 9000 cars per year down to only about 1200 in total for 2026 before they pulled out. The Ioniq 5 sells over 30K cars per year.

cbsnews.com/…/tesla-cybertruck-sales-elon-musk/

evseekers.com/hyundai-ev-sales-by-year/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Ioniq_6#Sales

They sold roughly 36,000 in just the US. They sold over 96,000 worldwide through the end of 2024.

And? The CT sold more than that in 2024 alone. I am confused as to what point you are trying to make here.

You: I doubt Hyundai sold 37,000 Ioniq 6s in the US throughout its entire production run.

Me: They sold a bit more than 36,000 in just the US.

You: I don’t know what your point is.

You questioned a fact another person said, and now you are confused when someone links you the data to show the fact?

Also, the Ioniq 6 has sold around 96k worldwide. According to your numbers, Cybertruck has sold around 58k + 2026 sales (around 9k). While I can’t find stated sales goals for the Ioniq 6, Elon was talking about selling 250k Cybertrucks per year. Elon talked about building a manufacturing throughput of 2500 cars per week (125,000/year) and currently achieving 1300 cars per week (65k/year). Tesla bought roughly 2 percent of all Cybertrucks purchased.

I see. That person refuted the claim that the CT was outselling the Ioniq 6 as I claimed. But from every source I see, CT sold about 70K and Ioniq 6 about half that, hence my original post claiming such. He may be confused and was pulling annual US sales numbers about the Ioniq 5, which sells about 30-35K models per year. But as per my original post and the article, this is about car sales in the US only and defines US market flops in terms of sales numbers, with no other metric considered. The Ioniq 6 was outsold by the CT and had more time on the market, which makes it arguably worse.

I feel like to count it for a flop you have to account for total produced units as well as the sales. For example if a company produces 100,000 units and sells 99,000 of them those are solid numbers, but if a company produces 400,000 units and only sold 200,000 of those units that honestly a pretty shit sell rate even if they technically sold more.

For sure I think that matters. Total investment cost in developing it and manufacturing facilities as well too. At least the Ioniq 6 sells well elsewhere. It’s more of a US flop, but I doubt they are thinking beyond their borders when it comes to worst automotive flop ever.

in the us… the hyundai is sold elsewhere too. in places where cybertruck isn’t even road legal

You’re comparing total sales, but a flop is about return on investment. How much did Hyundai spend on R&D and new tooling and manufacturing to create the 6, plus how much of that can be reused for other similar vehicles, plus what was the profit margin for the car, plus how many cars were built. Now, compare that to the Cybertruck that has likely very little reusability in manufacturing, all new tooling, tons of R&D, and tons of unsold cars.

So unless you have a lot of very specific knowledge, that’s going to be beyond the layman to do. This article didn’t cover any of those costs in its comparison beteeen the Edsel and the CT. They compared sales numbers. Anything else would be cool to know, but aren’t really important in terms of what was compared here.

EVs are now mostly skateboard designs, they can drop another body style on and off quickly.

The Ioniq 6 is hideous.

Inspired by a computer mouse. IoniQ5 has a waiting list.

Looks like a piece of art to me. I’d make your argument in reverse about how ugly the 5 is, but different strokes for different folks. I catch more people checking it out and then come talk to me about it when I walk up to my Ioniq 6 than I ever did driving a Corvette. Public opinion seems that it’s nice, just too expensive for them. And for those that do want to invest in it, the 5 is more useful to most with the hatchback.

They have always reminded me of a trough type urinal in a gay men’s leather bar, especially the silver ones.

Are we talking about the lose metal ones you see at like national parks that sound like youre pissing into a metal drum? If so I agree.

Yes. Those exactly. Except at a leather bar they have a mirror mounted on the wall above them.

most drivers in my area are asians, and right wingers. asians by them because they think have a tesla is an epitome of being bougie, thats why its as tasetless as SUPREME and is very ignorant of MUSK drama and politics.

I actually don’t hate the cypbertruck…

I know I’m in the minority… But I really hate boring gray cars and this thing is definitely not boring!

Fuck Elon and all his fucking bullshit, but let’s imagine a world where he loses everything, now I know it’s difficult but try imagine this scenario through your perfectly natural erection at the though of musk going broke (perfectly natural response). But imagine he’s flat broke, tesla goes under, fire sale on everything… Would you buy one for 10k? … How about 5k?

How low would the price have to go for you to buy one? …for whatever reason, even if it won’t get publicly registration for road use etc.

No, I would not even take one even if they paid me the current price. The thing is not street legal in the EU, therefore useless. The reasons that it is not street legal have nothing to do with Elon directly but with that vehicle being unjustifiably dangerous to pedestrians and other drivers as well. If you drive one of those it tells all the others how much you care about everyone that isn’t you.

I reject that thing not because it isn’t street legal I reject it for why it isn’t street legal and that goes down to the heart of its design and concept.

You’d have to pay me to take one now, even with the warranty and a service arm that presumably exists. After the company is defunct? That’s the heaviest piece of ewaste ever made.

…heaviest piece of e-waste ever made so far

Tesla has a reputation around confronting people with expensive battery pack swaps over a broken coolant pipe and stuff like that, you don’t need them to go out of business for a reasonable chance to turn your car into premature ewaste.

Even if you like the non boring appearance, the quality of the build is, to my understanding, terrible. Sharp edges on the steel, unevenly aligned everything, corrosion, the giant wiper gets too much stress and fails, etc.

Don’t forget random panels popping off during operation. Cringey “skins” applied to functional parts with shiity adhesive instead of bolts/rivets (e.g. the gas pedal cover that would fall off and jam the accelerator on), bricked by car wash unless deliberately triggering “car wash mode”, hidden or no emergency release for door locks sealing people into burning/submerged vehicles, truck that can’t tow, bed that can’t fit common items like a bike or dimensional lumber, perpetually ugly rust/hand oil stained panels, no magic unbreakable panels/glass, less range delivered than advertised, multiple features disabled by snow, improper safety sensors to detect occlusions leading to the finger chop/pinch incidents, cheap vibrating interior and fake auto pilot that constantly tries to kill passengers and pedestrians. And of course giving car makers cover to follow the dangerous, shitty tablet based Interior and attempt to end physical, no-look controls in moving motor vehicles.

And that’s just top of mind from inside this hellish firehose to the face of disappointing information that we live in everyday.

At least those 63 actual humans that purchased one clearly identify as the worst people in their communities with these malfunctioning $100,000 vape pens on wheels.

I actually don’t hate the cypbertruck…

Hate is a big word, but Elon’s antics, the fact that most of the car’s aestetics are essentially superglued trim pieces, and that it just isn’t a better truck in any meaningful sense of the word took away most of this vehicle’s appeal to me.

Mostly the first though.

That it ultimately didn’t sell for anywhere near the origionally announced price, and that in Europe they don’t want it on the road at all, also doesn’t help.

You couldn’t pay me any sum of money to debase myself that much, and I love debasing myself.

The build quality and reputation ruin it for me

It doesn’t matter how cheap I can get one, because A) it is incredibly ugly and shouts to everyone around you that you have incredibly bad taste, and B) because it is a poorly designed piece of junk that breaks just by being in the car wash. Why would I want something that is both expensive to fix AND breaks easily?

I am also in the minority in that I like how it looks. It has a retro futuristic feel to it.

Having said that, putting aside that it became THE Nazi mobile of our time, it is stupidly big and apparently very badly made.

I would be a buyer at a low price if not for the social stigma. In a parallel universe where Elon released the cyber truck but kept his 2016 public image I’d but one for a low low price.

Id only want one to take the drivetrain or batteries out of. I bet that happens to a lot of them.

Imagine being so dumb you manage to turn that kind of momentum into the electric Edsel

IDK, the Edsel was at least reasonably priced.

I also don’t think the Cybertruck’s aestetics are going to age the same way Edsel’s has.

Even placed in de universe of Cyberpunk, where it’s allegedly from, it really is mostly just a dumpster with wheels.

I saw some Chinese company had done a reskin or replica of the cyber truck body but actually made it look kinda cool, like something you’d actually expect to find in a film.

It just showed what an abject failure Musk is, as it’s the only car he had a hand in designing…

Oh yeah. I’ve definately seen some renders that make it look quite nice, but they do that by adding a bunch of elements to it like skirts, extended wheel arches, spoilers, light bars, paint and lower it to the point you can’t use it as a truck anymore.

But then it also really stops being what it origionally was.

The idea that anyone used one as a truck, or that it could even reasonably be used as one is pretty laughable.

But if I was a man child who wanted a toy car the Chinese one at least looks less like a bin on wheels. carscoops.com/…/gacs-cybertruck-inspired-pickup-l…

The idea that anyone used one as a truck, or that it could even reasonably be used as one is pretty laughable.

I mean, most people don’t use trucks as trucks.

I was going to comment on that but didn’t want to get burned at the stake. I agree the Edsel was a pretty good looking car, even if it wasn’t completely conventional for the time period. The cybertruck almost looked good in its early concept days before it got turned into a literal dumpster fire.

It can be a controversial item, but then cars are rarely universally put on a podium for it’s looks. Usually when you cater to broad audiences designs are trending towards the more boring/vanilla side.

The cars that really stick out design wise have always been at least somewhat controversial. Even today still with all these decades of car design exprience. Take for example BMW’s new (massive) grille.

Interesting.

But it looks so good!!!

/s

It truly does look like an “apocalypse-proof tank” in the sense that it resembles a cheesy “car of the future” slapped together with sheet metal for a low-budget sci-fi flick. I think they were channeling Damnation Alley.

@LovableSidekick @technology Ah I see you’ve also watched “Damnation Alley”

Yes, probably on Showtime back in the 80s.

One of these drove by me the other day in a parking lot and it was just squeaking and creaking in a way you’d expect a 30 year old vehicle to sound, the thing is basically a half-finished prototype that I guess Musk just got sick of trying to make actually good because he knows that his cult chuds buying these things couldn’t give a fuck if they are built properly or not.

Ok I was wondering if the one I heard creaking by me the other day was an anomaly. There are two locally and they both have squeaky suspension.

Yeah, I hadn’t seen one drive by slowly in a quiet area before, so this is the first time I noticed it, but it sure sounded like the boots and/or joints were already toast on a 2-to-4 year-old truck, which is insane.

Me, I’m worried about the brake lines.

It was ill-conceived, over-promised, and under-delivered.

They’re huge. They’re ‘stainless’. They’re unibody. The drivetrain is expensive as shit. The tech innovations (digital door handles, controlless dash, bed cover are just wastes of money.

He wanted to make an impregnable, floatable tank. They ended up cutting every corner on structure and putting that into form, but when they finished, the design and QC was so bad that it just failed all over.

To fix everything that would be needed to cover the non-artistic issues, it would be the price of a large house instead of a small one.

I wonder if in another ~30 years we’ll get another wave of nostalgia and make the Delorean v3?

I wonder if it will be possible to have antique cars from this period on. With all of the software in them they’d have to release the source code or decompile it to keep them on the road.

Sure. The shell and possibly drivetrain will be original, and the electronics will be replaced. Just like all those kits to make electric vw buses (though they will still run just gine on gasoline. l

I have an “old” electric car. (2018 Leaf) I’ve noticed some of the issues you allude to.

There is a Nissan app that doesn’t work for the car anymore, because the car has a 3G cellular radio in it, and there just aren’t many, if any, remaining 2g/3g towers. It does have android auto, which so far I don’t care for, but that’s probably a skill issue. The car has navigation, but the maps are out of date and Nissan isn’t offering updates anymore. It has Sirius XM, and I think I could just turn on the subscription and it would work. Lastly, the “rapid charge” port on the car is a CHAdeMo port, and there are fewer of those than NACS or CCS.

Outside of those things, the car works like any other EV. All menus and screens operate and all the accessories work.

Whether or not something will last as a “classic car” depends on the same thing as it always has: the number of weirdos interested in that car. There aren’t huge groups of people trying to keep Chevy Chevettes or AMC Concords alive, but there are huge online communities and even some cottage industries that have risen up around things like Jeeps, Suzuki Samurais, air-cooled Volkswagens, old BMW’s, and yes, Nissan Leafs.

I’m not sure we could make a profitable, well-built DeLorean, even if a real automaker tried. Testla didn’t do anyone any favors, but there are reasons they Deloreans failed to take the market by storm. Outside being unique/famous, they weren’t easy to deal with on any front

Yeah, that’s my point. The Cybertruck seems heavily inspired by the nostalgia of the Delorean and people forgetting the problems. It’s easy to think that they were considered cool by watching Back to the Future, but they were considered junkers, and that’s even how it’s meant to be viewed by Doc using it.

Is it even.considered “automotive”?

The androids butt plug.