You have your definition of useful, I have mine. Maybe predictability is important to many others, but not to you.

Besides, “not liking it” sounds like a pretty legit reason for not using something, lol. Would you listen to music if you didn’t like it?

Music is NOT a tool.

Its more like not using a screwdriver and using only a hammer. And that would be fine - if you only have nails.

And this argument about different definitions is fundamentally dishonest under a comment that say broadly we don’t like AI. I have my definitions of interesting, useful and fun. But if I would make a post about, I would be torn apart here, lol.

If I’m trying to fasten something, and the screwdriver fucks up half the time, then yeah I’m going to nail it together instead. Or use glue, or anything but an unreliable screwdriver.

Thats the thing. AI doesn’t fuck up all the time and has gotten genuinely useful for some things in the last months.

But a huge amount of you doesn’t know this or doesn’t care, generating an insufferable, ignorant circlejerk, drowning out every interesting discussion you can have about this topic.

That is what people have said, every day, on repeat, for the last three years. Explain why it is better now instead of three months ago, when it was definitely not fucking up all the time and then I will copypaste that back to you for what was said three months ago for the same question.

Which standards are you gonna hold it to? The benchmarking involves using standardized testing, but they typically just feed those questions into the testing data, so the tests have to be constantly updated, and when they are, you will not be surprised to learn that the machines goes back to fucking up the answers all the time.

Experts in their fields do not use this shit because it is wrong on the things they know, but, oh wow, it must be totally right about the things I don’t know anything about? Every time.

Oh, just shut the fuck up.

www.theregister.com/software/2026/03/…/5226256

Act civil in the comments, dude.

Cool. Now in three months, I can repaste this reply back to you! Thank you!

half the time

Who said all the time? The problem is most people can’t tell which half it’s fucking up. An unreliable tool isn’t useful

Hmm. They fuck up 50 percent of the time? I not only doubt that, I know that this is wrong. No offense. Do you actively use LMMs?

No. Because they fuck up so often.

Why would I keep using a broken tool?

Gotcha. You‘re one of those guys talking out of their arse.

Nope. Just experienced enough to know when the tool is wrong, so I understand it’s a fuck up.

If I had an employee that fucked up as often and confidently as LLMs do, I would terminate their employment. I don’t have the time or patience to redo all their work because I can’t trust them. If a brand had quality issues at as high a rate as LLM output, I would avoid buying anything related to that brand.

A human being or company can make some amount of mistakes and that’s completely understandable, and I think it’s perfectly fair to hold LLMs to that standard. That said, with a human being I can stress how important some task is and they don’t double or triple check their when it is that important, I can not and will not trust them. If I tell a company “hey this is important to me”, they will usually make extra effort to make sure it’s correct, and if they fail to do so, a decent company will make an extra effort to make things right. An LLM will offer an empty apology and spew more bullshit at me that I still have to verify.

The fact that AI gets things right often enough for you is great. Maybe I have higher standards, maybe I need higher quality output, or maybe I have trust issues. Everyone has a different threshold. Just because yours is much different than the people here doesn’t mean their opinions are invalid, and the way you dismiss everyone’s opinions and insist that it’s good enough makes you seem just as insufferable and ignorant as you accuse others of being.

The fact that LLM output has improved is great, but it is still so far from meeting much less exceeding my threshold that it’s beyond frustrating to keep being told over and over that “no bro, it’s good now”. I’ve been hearing that for over two years and it’s still not close to where I would trust it to answer questions, much less perform actions on my computer with access to my personal data.

You need to learn that some people are different than you and understand where they’re coming from if you want to have an “interesting discussion… about this topic”, rather than getting frustrated that people don’t agree with you and rage quitting.

Some tools are useless, period.

I think AI is like being given an automatic screwdriver with the speed maxed to shit. If you pay super close attention, you might be able to do things faster, with hypervigilance and expert knowledge. In most cases, though, you won’t. Congratulations, you have screwed in 100 screws, mostly incorrectly and stripped, when everyone else did 30, and you have fucked over the people who have to fix your shit.

Good analogy! But I disagree.

www.theregister.com/software/2026/03/…/5226256

I think AI agents are a lot like a chainsaw - they can save you a lot of time vs other tools for the same job, but… you can also screw up with them rather easily.

Fortunately, I just write software with LLM agents, if it comes out badly I can start over with nothing lost but time. My experience of the last few months has been: it actually writes some pretty good software, if you know anything about writing good software with teams of people and apply that knowledge to managing the LLM agents. If you’re just some guy who doesn’t really know how to write software, LLM agents aren’t always going to save you from yourself, just like a chainsaw won’t.

Music is NOT a tool.

I use music as a tool to relax. If the music isn’t relaxing, I don’t like it, and I won’t listen to it. See how that works?

Its more like not using a screwdriver and using only a hammer. And that would be fine - if you only have nails.

No, it’s like using a jackhammer when you need a chisel. You have to repair most of the shit instead of doing it right the first time.

And you get progressively worse at using the chisel when you only use a jackhammer for everything.

I think music is so much more than a tool. But I‘m not here to argue over music. I get your point.

So you don’t see any merit in current AI at all? Do you thin it will vanish like the blockchain fad?

I think music is so much more than a tool.

Of course it is, I also listen to music other times when I don’t treat it as a tool, but for pleasure and entertainment. But I also use it at times only as a tool, that’s all.

So you don’t see any merit in current AI at all? Do you thin it will vanish like the blockchain fad?

I see plenty of merit in AI. AI has already been used to do really meaningful things for humans, such as in medicine, mathematics, etc, lots of stuff in the research fields and stuff.

But it’s very important to remember that the more work we offload to robots, the worse we’ll become at doing that work ourselves. Neural pathways deteriorate when not used. And I don’t want to become an expert in code review, because I don’t think that’s fun. I want to remain an expert in producing code. And when AI does the reviewing part, too, what the fuck am I left with? Being some kind of DevOp, orchestrating the agents of my laptop? That’s not fun for me.

Maybe in the future AI will actually be able to do quality code and quality software development methods the entire way from idea to production, but I want to code. I am a software engineer. It’s what I was trained to do, and it’s my craft.

It’s like asking someone who is into pottery for a living and has a small business where they do everything by hand, to give that up in order to make cheap ceramic/porcelain plates with no ornamentation, no soul, in a factory. They wouldn’t be interested. That’s me.

I’ve had Gemini downright lie or completely fuck up before and it’s not a rare occurrence. That means you have to verify everything anyway and hell at that point maybe you should have just looked it up yourself.

First of: When? Few months make a huge difference. Development happens fast.

Second: Gemini is not the top of the line. You could do worse - if you use the fucking LLMs from meta.

Use it two years ago. It is wrong.

“It’s getting better EVERY DAY!”

Use it a month later. It is still wrong.

“It’s getting better EVERY DAY!”

Repeat for months on end. It is always wrong in different ways. It even finds new and unique ways to be wrong.

“It’s getting better EVERY DAY!”

Every time.

Personally, I just think the dipshits who use LLMs are just fucking morons that don’t realize it’s wrong, or they wouldn’t use it because it is still shit. But, fuck me for not wanting to use the planet-destroying technology that lies for pennies.

At first I was bit mad to be called a dipshit, but hey, what do you say to someone who can’t grasp the concept of something being actively worked on and improved. You know, of something being developed. Lol, you’re right of course. It’s just ChatGPT 3.5 that finds all those bugs in the Linux kernel.

You just don’t know, don’t you. You probably even don’t know the difference between a chatbot and an Agent. All you know is empty phrases and hyperbolic statements. You know, it’s fine. Get your upvotes from your ignorant, uninformed circlejerk and yell at the clouds. Good luck.

…what do you say to someone who can’t grasp the concept of something being actively worked on and improved. You know, of something being developed.

In that case, maybe they should take down what they’ve released to production until they finish the development. It isn’t finished yet.

Those bugs that generative AI found in Linux were some old bugs that, and I cannot stress this enough, required elevated access to your system and only crashed the machine. Basically, it wasn’t found because it never actually affected anybody, but sure, take your win. You were lacking them.

And hey man, if you caught some strays on that comment, maybe consider going outside. There are people out there that could enjoy being around you if you stopped talking about AI! They are rather nice because they typically like other people and don’t call them Luddites for not wanting to kill the planet tp avoid writing an email.

But, sure, let’s play the dumbfuck game where AI proponents use their definitions to pretend that a chatbot (a thing that doesn’t really matter to LLMs in general since they’ve existed for fucking decades) and an agent (basically the same shit as an LLM but directed) are things that truly matter in the discourse. They don’t. People that don’t want their brain rotted from the inside out just hate AI. Not wanting to turn your brain off seems pretty fucking normal to me, but maybe it doesn’t to you because the thoughts in your head are a nightmare to experience.

My issue is that people have been saying “yeah, it’s a bit iffy, but it’ll get better” since 2022. It’s been four years. When is it actually gonna get better… enough?

Based on my understanding of the underlying tech, it will always have some level of making shit up. That, combined with the fact that all of these companies are spending more money running data centers than they have coming in, implies to me that this tech (at least in the current form of cloud-based chatbots) isn’t staying around long-term. No one is actually making money off of it except the hardware vendors. None of these AI companies are what my grandpa would’ve called a “going concern.” So I haven’t felt much desire to get into it.

I typically like new technology as it comes out, but I haven’t found LLM’s to be very impressive or inspiring.

I know Gemini isn’t the top. It’s all I’m willing to tolerate.

That doesn’t make any sense.:

„This sub-par product of an evil mega corporation that uses their market power to shove this product down everyone’s throat is all I’m willing to tolerate.“

As bad as Antrophic and openAI are, their product is better and they don’t embed it into phones and search engines. (Not saying they wouldnt‘t if they have the chance, but they haven’t)

It makes sense. I’m not spending a dime… I’m not signing up and giving my credentials out to any other AI … I already have Google . Gemini is good enough for the things I look up monus occasionally being dead wrong which all of them can do. I don’t make stupid memes or videos.

Yeah okay. I understand the monetary angle.

However I also have never spent a dime on AI, and I don’t use Gemini. I run Qwen3.6 on my graphics card, or use opencodes free tier. Deepseek-v4- flash is pretty good.

I’ve read a comment recently that Googles local Gemma models hallucinate less than Gemini, but I don’t know if that’s true, since I hardly use Gemma and Gemini not at all.

I recommend downloading some local models and a harness like pi or opencode if you want to play around an have the hardware for it.

Tech savvy groups have always included a significant amount of well established people unhappy with how technology is being implemented or used - who then, yes, yell at clouds. Hell, a lot of us still literally yell about the Cloud.

Paraphrasing a management quote I found a few decades ago - if the engineers aren’t complaining about something, it’s not because they’re happy. It means they’re complaining where you can’t hear them.

I‘m not fully in favour of LMMs by the way. They have their quirks, to put it mildly and are not suited for everything. I think they’re most effective with with someone who knows how to use them and when not to use them. I’m also highly suspicious against those AI companies and their CEOs.

Sir this is lemmy. Most people here just follow whatever the echo chamber tells them to. Thinking or referencing reality is typically not advised.

I know. Kind of sad.

No, I’ve decided not to use a tool that isn’t fit for purpose. Studies have consistently shown that people think they’re much more productive on LLMs than they actually are, and the side effects of cognitive debt and skill loss aren’t worth the often imaginary productivity gains.

Combine that with the awful financials of OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, and Google’s Gemini, and you’ve got the makings of a really nasty situation.

Say I come to depend on Claude Code for all my coding, and build an entire workflow around it. I get used to spending thousands of dollars a month for access, and tell myself it’s worth it for the imaginary productivity gains (although what’s actually happening is that I’m just producing a shit-ton of garbage code no one has any hope of understanding).

Then Anthropic reaches the point where they run out of investor money to spend, and fold because even charging developers like me thousands of dollars doesn’t even begin to cover their costs, and I’m one of their rare customers who are loyal, versus the bulk of developers who use up their free allotments of tokens and then model-hop.

Now what? My workflow is broken, I’ve forgotten how to code, and nothing I’ve produced recently is human-readable.

No thanks. I’m not an old man yelling at clouds, I’m a software developer who can recognize a problem when I see one.