The best extension :)

Welcome, ye hordes!

+ a mediocre browser

No, you’re a mediocre browser

And his mom is too

Can confirm; Dan’s mom = very mediocre. Not worth the journey to her house 3/10.

Gotem!

What is mediocre about it? What would be an example of a good browser, and what are the differences?

Nothing is mediocre about it. All of the “best” browsers are based on FF’s Gecko engine. Maybe they have complaints about Mozilla or the weird stuff they’ve been doing with FF recently. But the actual Gecko engine is solid, and it’s what all the best browsers are based on.

Don’t feed the troll, down vote and move on

Why?

It’s bait. The only “better” browsers are downstreams of FF.

complaints not parsed into action items aren’t worth anyone’s time.

Yeah, but it does run uBlock Origin, renders web pages just fine, can do WebRTC, and even has support for bookmarks and pinned tabs. What else do you want from a web browser?

Chrome’s advantages were in the security and performance departments. But Firefox isn’t that much worse.

No, you’re a towel

If they ever stop supporting it I will continue to use the last version to support it, any website that breaks compatibility with this Firefox version can get fucked.

That’s a significant security risk, unfortunately.

If that happens, I’d suggest a fork with a built in blocker, one that still gets security patches from upstream Firefox.

Exactly. Ublock origin is notable only for being part of 0 ad companies and 100% trustworthy. The blocking lists are universal. If it’s built into the browser, you’re golden

Well…

With a fork, one is very dependent on the browser dev. Not just on their benevolence, but on their security practices too. And on them pulling in upstream security patches, quickly.

TBH, this is why I do finance stuff on vanilla Firefox. I love browser forks, I really do, but I’m a bit more cautious with them, too.

“Dev” as if it’s just a singular person

Most of the forks are teams of 10-20 devs

The most used forks are usually larger teams tbf, not a single dev

True, sometimes. But they don’t have the sheer manpower dedicated to security that Mozilla has, nor the institutional policies that try to mitigate losing a key/account or something like that. Also, technically, vanilla Firefox is first to get the zero-day patches before they filter downstream.

Not that the forks are dangerous or anything, generally.

i mean… blocking lists are universal, but the other features ublock offers are not - i’m making heavy use of ublock’s dynamic filtering panel and per-site switches. one important thing i use ublock for is to whitelist which sites get javascript permissions and to get rid of remote fonts to make pages more readable. those features need manifest v2.

if firefox drops manifest v2 and you’re relying purely on those inbuilt blocking lists then you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?

as a websev, you’re gonna have a bad time

I’ll just spend my reading time reading more books than I do now. Forcing me to look at ads will not work.

I’d probably go retro, use something like Dillo and stick to more classic webpages. Or go full Gopher/Gemini.

Librewolf would probably still support it

Google is locking down Android too!

!linuxphones@lemmy.ca

Is there a good small cheap repairable phone out there? I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone. And I cant experiment as much as I would want on my main phone.

Ive almost thought about carrying a tiny burner phone then a small laptop for everything else.

Last I was aware, Linux phones work really well on Google Pixel 3as. They’re no longer supported by stock Android nor still manufactured so I assume the second hand ones will be cheap.

I appreciate the response.

I have owned two google phones. Both had hardware issues/battery issues and one almost exploded. One day it got super hot and the battery turned into a spicy pillow. Sorry but im not going to get another google phone as long as I live. Neither lasted more than 2 years.

get the new Jolla Linux phone.

That’s fair. Which models did you have? I had a couple problems with the earlier Google Pixels, but I’ve found the later ones have really ironed out their hardware problems.

I think your main problem is going to be finding phones for cheap that also work well as Linux phones. I think the lowest-effort options like Pine phones are gonna cost you more. But I wish you luck.

I had a 4 I think? That one lasted about a year and a half before the battery wouldn’t last more than half a day. Then it bricked one day. Not sure what happened.

The 6a was the worst. It was cheap and good at first. But then kept getting hotter and hotter…almost burnt me.

The Commedore phone, if you want something minimalistic that does have Android compatibility.

I’m looking at preordering it. Shipping now would be Dec-Jan.

I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone

What do you mean? You can’t use your FP4?

I’m considering getting a FP6 relatively soon, and would be using it as my only one…

I use android via /e/os. But I cannot experiment with my only phone. There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

FF is a great phone btw.

There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.

That’s my main concern too.

Here in Denmark, the MitID authentification app is completely integral to functioning online, and last I checked it doesn’t work on GrapheneOS, so /e/os is probably not likely either 🫤

I think you should be able to emulate /e/ OS to try out some stuff? Maybe someone else can chime in. Dont know if that helps or not.

My 2fa works in /e/ but im going to assume other OSes probably wont.

You can’t use something like bitwarden for mitid?

Nope, you’ll need mitid specifically. It’s run by the government and mandated 😮‍💨

Every Linux phone uses an android shim just because it isn’t possible to change the firmware iirc

I love my FP6

You named it the Fairphone is the best Linux phone.

You have a point.

…it is a really nice phone.

I just cant afford two. First world problem haha.

As far as I know the Google Developer Verification BS won’t reach Custom ROMs right? But yea in the long run it probably makes to make the jump one day or another.

Still works just fine on Vivaldi. Only problem is every few updates they break it and it needs to be reinstalled. I’ve lost a bit of faith in Vivaldi for doing this. It’s one thing if they can’t code around the chromium core to allow it, but since it still works and the updates are just disabling it I think that’s pretty dirty.

Not for long. The patch that removes support is coming to Vivaldi soon.

The updates aren’t just disabling it anymore, they’re stripping the path out entirely, so it would be difficult to maintain support.

Being unable to use manifest v2 extensions anymore on most chromium based stuff has resulted in me writing off almost all browsers that are base on chromium. Kudos to Firefox for continuing to support it! Let’s hope that does not change at all anytime soon.

Brave, Ungoogled Chromium, and Helium all still support uBlock Origin.

It’s Brave if you to mention the browser Brave here.

Silly, but brave 🤷🏻

It’s not here, dude. It’s inside your mind.

This is not true.

The flag that UnGoogled Chromium used to support it is going away, and AFAIK there is no fix. Helium inherited the same patch from UnGoogled Chromium.

They will both lose support. See their relevant GitHub issues.

Brave uses a custom, integrated adblocking engine; it technically doesn’t need UBO.

The problem with Brave is the homophobic CEO which, at least for me, is a big no

Jfc, first they had like some coin miner, then dubious analytics or settings or something, now the head dude is a bigot? It’s like an as-seen-on-TV ad: “but wait, there’s more!”

I said these browsers currently allow installing MV2 extensions; I didn’t predict about the future. Ok, ungoogled chromium will remove the flag in the future, and it can also affect helium. But it’s in the future; currently that flag is still there.

Brave is sued for its shady practices, ok! But we are talking about the installation of Manifest V2 extensions in the Chromium-based browsers, which the title explicitly says Firefox is the only browser that now allows you to install ublock origin, which is misleading. Brave still supports ublock origin, no matter if someone hates the browser or someone found it self-hosted.

So what do you guys find bad about me mentioning Brave? Also please mention a word: I’m saying these browsers are going to support MV2 extensions (ublock origin) forever.

…Okay. Technically, that’s true, going by strict semantics.

But the Helium and Ungoogled Chromium are going to lose MV2, soon. I feel like “still supports uBlock Origin” doesn’t sufficiently convey that to Lemmy commenters trying to read the situation. That’s all I meant, though I was perhaps imprecise with my words.

In other words, practically, if a users want to use UBO, they should know these browsers will not support that in the near future even if, strictly speaking, they support it right this second.

I believe this means Brave will lose support too, unless they intend to extensively modify Chromium to maintain compatibility themselves (which would be odd, as Brave doesn’t really need UBO since it has its own adblocking engine?)

Its still working in Vivaldi alo. Had to re-enable it tho, it’s “unsupported” but working.

It won’t for long. Upstream chromium removed it and the browsers based on the code are not going to work to continue patching it in.

First, screw Chrome.

BUT. These headlines are clickbait.

UBO has been disabled in Chrome for a long, long time. This is nothing new. Its old news.

Ublock Lite replaced it, and it’s not going away. It’s inferior and problematic and harder on devs, yes, but unfortunately Chrome users didn’t seem notice.

What’s being disabled is a crazy-difficult-to-enable flag that basically zero Chrome users actually used, and that only (a few) downstream Chromium forks use.

Inherently built into a few different browsers. I think Helium is one of them?

Other browsers have native ad-block and you don’t need add-ons.

Which ones? I only know Brave but i’d like to avoid it

Funnily enough, Firefox basically has it, with its Tracking Protection. The vast majority of ads use tracking, so get blocked by it.

Ad blocking is too important to depend on a browser vendor for it.
uBlock Origin kept updating basically just-in-time in the great YouTube ad war. No browser vendor can or even just tries to match that level of dedication and quality. Ad blocking needs to be pluggable - also because of SponsorBlock which is essential for YouTube.

Less incentive to fight it for website developers.

And that is why I still support Firefox!

Help us, Ladybird devs. You’re our only hope.

When is it comming?

They’re hoping to have an alpha release this year on limited platforms.

I’ve been following the dev progress. As it turns out, making a browser is not easy.

Watched the recent update on it. Definitely not easy.

You would think Apple would take the massive opportunity and bake in proper privacy and ad blocking to safari. Wouldn’t hurt their bottom line.

WebKit doesn’t run on Windows so this doesn’t matter to them.

You’re missing the point, WebKit not running on windows is exactly why this could be a good move for them. if they can do something better than what’s possible on windows they have a market advantage.

They’d rather people move to their platform and be locked in their ecosystem.

And this would be a way to make people want to do that.

I haven’t used MacOS or iOS for years so I’m out of the loop, but I thought Safari on both had pretty good extension support? I know Adguard is still great on both, a friend uses it (and I use it on my Linux and Android devices).

I prefer uBlock Origin Lite on Safari. I switched a while back because adblock wasn’t catching ads in YouTube.

It’s not in a bad state at all, I would just like to see adblockers baked straight into safari and on by default.

A few years ago they made some changes to how extensions work (iirc it was supposedly aimed at improving privacy by restricting what extensions can access).

These days I use a paid iOS/macOS specific ad block app. It was like $3 one time purchase and it works great.

They have pretty good privacy and anti-fingerprinting stuff in Safari, but not ad blocking— although they do have an odd tool for “hiding distracting items“ that can work as an ad hoc ad blocker of sorts. On the other hand, ublock origin light works wonderfully for me. Both on macOS Safari and iOS Safari.

I agree it works good for me as well as is, but it sure would be nice to see one baked in and on by default. It’s legitimately a safety thing, I would never turn an old person loose on the web just raw dog lol guaranteed a disaster. Every computer I’ve ever setup for a friend or family member the first thing I do is get Firefox dl on windows and install ublock if it’s a pc, or get get a blocker going on safari if it’s Mac.

Oh, I agree. It really would be nice if ublock origin light was installed by default.

Instead of uBlock Origin rather use AdNauseam. It’s basically uBlock Origin, but it “clicks” on the blocked ads so the ad networks still have to pay website owners.

this is hilarious and I will be trying it when I’m home

With all the malware, etc., clicking on any ad is ill advised.

Ehh, its throwing the response away so there would have to be an exploit that just by receiving a response you are hacked. That would be absurdly bad, with or without AdNauseum

Those exact type of issues have existed in the past it’s why the FBI uses ad blocking and recommends that it’s used for security. There have been several browser vulnerabilities over the years that required absolutely no interaction from the user whatsoever it simply had to load the data.

The whole reason that manifest V3 was such a big deal for unlock origin is that it prevents it from intercepting and stopping the initial connection to The domain in the first place it can only remove it after it’s been received and even that was limited. On Firefox everything is still normal it’s able to completely stop the browser from ever reaching out in the first place

Getting “hacked” via clicking a link and discarding the response is so extremely rare. It would require stringing together some of the most prized zero day vulnerabilities. There is just no world where someone would run that kind of attack on a google ad in the current year.

Like a true google hate inspired hipster I have been using Firefox for at least the past 9 years. Don’t let one of the shittiest companies control even more of the world because you are too fucking lazy to switch to a different browser. If you have to deal with a few shitty websites made by morons that only work in chrome keep a secondary chromium install on standby when you have to hold your nose and use it.

Honestly I can only think of one. Weirdly a “developer platform”

Well I guess a couple more because keyboard firmware sites do that usb browser thing that terrifies me is a thing and only chrome supports.

Nativia is a cross platform electron app that runs on your machine without network access and allows you to configure most of these keyboards. It’s also open source.

Firefox recently grew that terrifying WebSerial USB thing!

I have been a web dev for over 25… oh god… approaching 30 years, and most web dev teams with an ounce of self respect will spend the honestly trivial time to test against different browsers. I consider it a basic part of the god damn job. Even still banks and government sites seem to not give a fuck.

In my experience even one of the platforms with moronic developers eventually fixed their Firefox support. I dunno if the surge in Linux users had anything to do with it or not, or if it was because I would browser there, make my payments fail then switch to the Falkon browser every single time.

Some good news about firefox. Phew!

That’s the only reason, I use it. And I knew Firefox would be the only one remaining when I switched to it the very moment, Chromium stopped supporting uBlock Origin.

I can’t imagine using the web without firefox and ublock. Even the cookie consent popups are awful.

Seriously. I clear my cookies on Firefox exit because I don’t want their shit on my computer if it isn’t needed.

This would cause me to see them every single damn time.

Yeah, the user experience of “just wipe cookies on browser exit” is a lot better than “have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.

However, regarding “every single damn time”…some sites can have their “do you want cookies” popup just blocked by the Firefox I still don’t care about cookies addon. It’s not a solution for every site out there, but it’ll get a lot of them.

It’s also possible to use another extension, Behind the Overlay on some sites. This does require a click, so manual action, but it tries to identify “pop-over” content that covers up the browser window and remove it with that click. It’s really intended as a more-general solution to “pop-over” stuff, but cookie pop-ups often take this form and can be dismissed.

You can also just enable one of the “Cookie notices” lists in your ublock settings, no need for another extension.

Ublock Lite still works in Chrome (and it still blocks YouTube ads, not sure about cookie popups), but you get no control over the filters. Just a slider with some presets to choose from. So while better than nothing, just stick with Firefox.

LibreWolf, WaterFox and Vivaldi

…may you elaborate?

LibreWolf has it pre-installed and is Open-source. It worked on waterfox an Open-source fork of Firefox, last time I tried.

As for Vivaldi I guess use Brave instead.

vivaldi recently disabled uBO and said it’d soon be unsupported. you can re-enable for now

I didn’t know that, well glad I went to LibreWolf.

Future is dark:

1. Android getting locked down

2. They are asking your government ID to use OS, access internet etc.

There must be real protest, revolution, something otherwise it will just get worst

pssst: it’s gonna get worse

Download a shitload of epubs, roms, backup of wikipedia, and get ready for full-on, unmissable, 1984-style marketing and propaganda culture. You’ll see it, you’ll have to see it, and there will be no option B.

I’ve got 100tb getting filled. I’m ready. Ok in reality its closer to 60 tb after raid and I’m duplicating the important stuff across 2 devices. But that’s only about 5 tb. But I’m including lots of PDFs epubs and zims as important stuff. The rest is just media.

What if instead we… stop that from happening?

I am not sure what your comments mean. I am in tremendous back pain. And didn’t sleep For so long, and the fucking humidity.

I want to add more. And vent.

I am old enough and I saw similar actions, and the out come of it.

Slwoly we are forced to use ESIMS, where I live, I have to pay every time I switch phones.

And if I am outside of the country, I can’t even switch phones.

I love the idea of esims, but not how it is implemented.

Digiral data produced by me is so.expensive to keep.

It is the digital age, but not a digital .storage age, it is cheaper to print shit.

Optical storage can store terabytes of data, easy to maintain, you can design a device where the hdd store meta data and anyone from your family cam access the data stored on archival optical drives.

It is not built because they want us to use the cloud. Maybe it is greed, control, surveillance.

I just want a simple cartridge that can store my data for decads and technologically that is easily done. There are already archival optical storage sold to data centers, but why not to small businesses or consumers!?!?

It is basically several bluray discs in a cartridge.

The future is dark because of human nature.

And we will do nothing about because look at state of printers. The ink cost more than gold per gram

Look at air purifiers all proprietary filters that are over priced

And yes I know about CR boxes but those furnace filters are only sold in USA.

We are not good creatures

Sorry, I am coherent enough to know I am not coherent, I needed to vent.

There are literally only 2 mayor browsers it’s not that surprising. And isn’t firefox founded partially by google too? It’s all the same and then there is ladybird that is in development and is using AI for it or something?? Idk.

If I remember correctly, google pays Mozilla a significant percent of their Total income to have google as the default search ) home page?

Google does it so they also satisfy the anti competition rules as well, if Mozilla doesn’t get funded then they have monopoly and have to split it off.

That’s literally as far as the agreement goes.

I used to buy Ad Busters magazine at a local bookstore back in 1989. I’ve been keenly aware of, and against advertising ever since. Any site I’m forced to watch ads on because blocking no longer works, is a site I’ll stop visiting.

uBlock Origin still works in Brave. brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/#which-m…

Brave is hot trash.

I’ve been using Firefox for ages now so I don’t get it : what’s the point of using Chrome or Edge ?

Solely for when a page only works in Chromium based slop.

I’ve never seen that, which freaking websites only works in Chromium?

I’ve seen glorious corporate interfaces, only functioning in Microsoft Explorer. But only Chromium?

Some training content for work (I think it was for an in-browser code security training). And I’ve run into one or two sites where they required me to try in Chrome for a support issue, just can’t remember what it was. And newbs vibe-producing corporate tool proofs of concept as Chrome plugins because it’s simpler and doesn’t depend on any gatekeepers to deployment. (Fortunately, other gatekeepers still got a chance to say “no” and forced it to become a real web application.)

Partner.Microsoft.com. 😡

Cause People. Don’t. Care

Even if something gathers illegal amounts of data, and has removed all ad blocking extensions, they will just use the default.

At least one security researcher says Edge is the most secure option for Windows users.

…github.io/security-privacy-advice.html#browser

There was a time when Chrome was fresh that it seemed to be a fast, lightweight feeling new alternative. I didn’t switch back until I was looking for more control over content presentation options.

Pihole. Doesn’t solve everything, but I’m currently blocking ads from just over a half million domains.

At this point if you’re not already using a DNS filter of some sort, I have no idea how you survive. I use opnsense with zenarmor for ad blocking and it works really well. Had this going for a long time so no need to try pihole yet. I also use uBlock on my browsers for YouTube and the like. And greyjay on my phone. And I use automation on my phone (if not my WiFi, engage wireguard). I don’t know how I’d stay sane without it all.

Got a good tutorial or hardware rec for me? I’ve been meaning to pihole for a while…

Is there something analogous that can be run with bind?

So, I can finally point and laugh at the people who were saying that the manifest V3 thing was a non issue because their ad blocker was still working ?

no, because their ad blocker is still working

google is slowly killing their competition by a thousand cuts.

In unrelated news, Firefox is now the dominant browser and nobody knows why.

If only that were true. To many people are addicted to google to ever give up chrome/chromium without a series of catastrophic fuckups from google.